Tim Ferriss with Kevin Rose — Live 10th Anniversary Random Show!

Preview (00:00:00)

• Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose discuss dating and how exhausting it can be.

First live Random Show? (00:00:34)

• Tim and Kevin are doing their first-ever live Random Show.
• They usually record at Kevin's apartment or house while drinking tequila.

Reasons to celebrate. (00:01:05)

• Tim Ferriss' podcast has reached 1 billion downloads.
• The milestone was achieved mid-last year, but Tim waited for the right time to talk about it.
• Tim and Kevin reminisce about their first episode, where Tim asked Kevin what breakfast cereal he would be and why.

How long can this go on? (00:01:46)

• Tim plans to continue doing the podcast as long as he enjoys it.
• He may make some changes, such as reducing his focus on video content, especially short-form videos.
• Tim believes in choosing activities where his energy and capabilities overlap, giving him a competitive advantage.
• Podcasting has become very crowded, so Tim is considering how to create more "blue oceans" for himself.
• He will continue to have conversations, regardless of whether he records and publishes them as podcasts.

Mmm…Mmm. (00:03:36)

• Tim Ferriss mentions some challenging interviews he has had, including one with Martin Rothblatt who was incredibly sharp.
• He recalls an interview with Ed Catmull from Pixar where he nervously developed a compulsive tick, saying "mmm" excessively.

Inflection points. (00:05:15)

• Tim Ferriss discusses some of the biggest inflection points in terms of guests on his podcast.
• Arnold Schwarzenegger and Tony Robbins were significant guests who helped popularize the podcast.
• Celebrities and A-listers were uncommon on podcasts at the time, and Tim's show was one of the first to feature them.
• Jamie Foxx and Hugh Jackman stand out as exceptional guests who excel in multiple areas of entertainment.

Interesting over impulse. (00:06:27)

• Tim Ferriss explains his approach to keeping his podcast interesting and avoiding chasing trends.
• He mentions an instance where an interview with Balaji Srinivasan went viral, leading to a discussion about the risk of becoming defined by extreme views.
• To counteract this, Tim decided to avoid discussing cryptocurrency for a while to emphasize that the show's priorities are different.
• He emphasizes the importance of staying interested in the topics he covers to ensure the podcast remains engaging for listeners.

Bitcoin ETFs. (00:08:13)

• Tim Ferriss converted his retirement accounts into Bitcoin ETFs.
• He chose Franklin Templeton's ETF due to its low expense ratio.
• This allows him to potentially gain tax-free retirement income if Bitcoin appreciates.
• Buying and holding Bitcoin directly through exchanges may be more cost-effective for non-tax-advantaged accounts.

PROOF news. (00:11:05)

• Tim Ferriss sold his NFT project, PROOF, to Yuga Labs, the creators of the Bored Ape Yacht Club.
• He believes Yuga Labs is well-positioned to build a high-quality game with a sustainable economy.
• Ferriss acknowledges that he is not a "hardcore Degen" in the NFT space and wanted to find a suitable home for PROOF.
• He expresses hope that Yuga Labs will be successful in their endeavors.

What’s Kevin’s next project? (00:12:32)

• Kevin Rose says he is done starting companies.
• He finds the early stage ideation of startups exciting but not the scaling aspect.
• He prefers to focus on content creation and finding the next big thing through his podcast.

Don’t DIY your TMS. (00:15:13)

• Tim Ferriss is excited about transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) as a mental health intervention.
• He believes TMS has the potential to change the way we look at psychiatry and mental health.
• Ferriss warns against do-it-yourself (DIY) TMS, as it can cause burns and make things worse.

The SAINT protocol and accelerated TMS. (00:17:02)

• Tim Ferriss underwent two rounds of accelerated TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) using the SAINT protocol.
• The SAINT protocol is a condensed protocol for administering TMS, compressing 50 sessions into 10 or 5 days.
• TMS uses magnets to elicit Theta bursts in the brain.

Kevin wonders how magnets work. (00:17:47)

• Kevin Rose asks Tim Ferriss about the practical aspects of TMS treatment.
• Tim Ferriss explains that he underwent TMS treatment in a clinic or lab, not at home.
• Different iterations of TMS exist, and Tim's first round of treatment involved using a helmet-like device with a chin strap.
• The specific targeting of TMS depends on the condition being addressed, such as depression, anxiety, or OCD.

How accelerated TMS has helped me. (00:18:36)

• Accelerated TMS has helped alleviate symptoms of OCD, anxiety, and depression.
• The effects of TMS have been durable and noticeable on a day-to-day basis.
• TMS has helped with lifelong onset insomnia, reducing the time it takes to fall asleep from hours to zero.
• The effectiveness of TMS can be easily noticeable without the need for granular data analysis.
• Some people may respond inversely to TMS, worsening their conditions.
• TMS is finally delivering on its promise, according to competent psychiatrists.

Consumer access to accelerated TMS. (00:22:28)

• The cost of accelerated TMS ranges from $5K to $15K for a 5-day treatment period.
• The benefits of accelerated TMS can be significant, with noticeable improvements in conditions.
• Accelerated TMS is not a one-time treatment, and booster sessions every 3 to 6 months may be necessary.
• It is important to choose a reputable clinic with experienced clinicians who are working with established hospitals.
• DIY accelerated TMS is not recommended due to the sensitivity of the brain circuitry involved.

How TMS feels, and other possible uses. (00:26:30)

• TMS feels like someone is flicking the side of your head, with no visuals.
• It causes mental exhaustion, similar to cramming for the LSATs for 15 hours straight every day.
• TMS has potential for performance enhancement, such as improving visual acuity and reaction speed.
• It can also be used to change trait hypnotizability, making people more susceptible to hypnosis.

Potential downsides. (00:27:31)

• TMS can cause decreased productivity.
• Anxiety can be used as fuel to work, and reducing anxiety through TMS may reduce motivation.
• It is important to find the right balance of sympathetic and parasympathetic responses, as over-dampening can have negative effects.
• TMS can temporarily affect orgasm function.
• DIY TMS is not recommended due to the risk of negative side effects.

How to find out more about accelerated TMS. (00:30:00)

• Tim Ferriss does not want to recommend any specific clinics or doctors for accelerated TMS yet because he wants to gain more experience and see the durability of the treatment.
• Dr. Nolan Williams and the podcast Tim Ferriss did with him touch on the topic of accelerated TMS.
• There are theories that depression may not be caused by chemical imbalances, but rather by different brain structures firing out of sequence. Accelerated TMS can correct this sequence.
• Accelerated TMS is better tolerated than most medications and has a lower risk profile.
• Unlike psychedelic-assisted therapy, accelerated TMS is not contraindicated for people with certain conditions, such as Borderline Personality Disorder or a family history of schizophrenia.
• Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose discuss the benefits of accelerated TMS, a treatment for depression that uses magnetic pulses to stimulate the brain.

How to appear human in social situations. (00:32:09)

• Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose discuss the challenges of attending social events and networking.
• The book "Superconnectors" by Charles Doig offers insights on building trust and forming lasting connections.
• Asking open-ended questions and showing genuine curiosity can facilitate deeper conversations.
• Writing down potential conversation topics or questions beforehand can enhance comfort and lead to more natural interactions.
• To overcome social anxiety, Tim Ferriss suggests assuming everyone knows everyone and having backup topics prepared.
• For a graceful exit from a conversation, one can express the need to speak with others while requesting a follow-up on the current topic.

Jinjer and Sohn. (00:39:20)

• Ukrainian metalcore band Jinjer has an impressive vocal range.
• Sohn is an underrated musician with chill music.

Android and Gemini. (00:40:27)

• Tim Ferriss has tried to switch to Android multiple times but failed.
• Gemini, Google's AI competitor to ChatGPT, has improved significantly.
• Gemini can be integrated into Android phones as an assistant, providing actionable, relevant, and unexpected insights.
• Gemini provides real-time information and can translate conversations simultaneously.

Content production and future fame. (00:43:00)

• Tim Ferriss' podcast is now fully translated into Spanish and Japanese, with lip-syncing technology to match the translations.
• The sheer volume of content production in the next two to three years will have several effects, including a decrease in the half-life of fame.
• There won't be another Oprah with a show that commands half of a country's attention, and the decay rate of fame will be faster.

Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson. (00:44:16)

• Mike Tyson is 57 years old but in great shape, as seen in recent clips of him punching.
• Tim Ferriss doesn't want to fight Tyson, as he believes he wouldn't last two rounds against a professional fighter.
• Tyson is expected to win the fight against Jake Paul, who is a legitimate fighter but would be at a disadvantage if headgear and 18-ounce gloves are required.
• If the fight is to be credible, it should be a real boxing match with no headgear and regulation-size boxing gloves.

Kevin’s deflated balls. (00:46:35)

• Kevin mentions GP1 inhibitors and their potential impact on various industries, including weight loss and snack consumption.
• These drugs were initially developed as type 2 diabetes treatments, focusing on glucose control.
• Tim shares his personal experience with glucose tolerance tests and the benefits of GP1 inhibitors in stabilizing glucose levels.
• GP1 inhibitors can have cardioprotective benefits, reducing cardiovascular events by 20% even after accounting for weight loss.
• Tim tried GP1 inhibitors in the past and experienced reduced belly fat but also muscle loss.
• Testosterone replacement therapy can be used to counteract muscle loss, but it comes with its own risks and requires post-cycle therapy.
• GP1 inhibitors can cause side effects such as reduced testicle size.
• Tim emphasizes the complexity of longevity and his personal perspective on not wanting to live forever but rather to see his children grow up.

My single life. (00:50:31)

• Tim Ferriss is single and finds modern dating bizarre.
• He believes in having tight criteria for dating to make it manageable.
• He is looking for someone with a formed identity, self-awareness, and the ability to handle challenges.
• He prefers someone who is intellectually challenging and whom he can admire.
• Tim Ferriss sets high standards for dating and is not interested in casual relationships.
• He wants someone who is mature, self-aware, and has a clear sense of who they are.
• He is also looking for someone who is intellectually stimulating and whom he can admire.

Extending experiential lifespan. (00:54:31)

• Tim Ferriss discusses the concept of "experiential lifespan" and how to engineer it to make time feel longer and more fulfilling.
• Strategies for achieving an extended experiential lifespan include spending extended time off the grid in mountainous environments, being in seasonal environments, changing locations frequently, certain psychedelic experiences, and interacting with animals.
• The key is to identify the characteristics of peak moments of awe and try to replicate them in daily life.
• Tim Ferriss suggests taking breaks throughout the day to maintain high energy levels, as demonstrated by Martha Stewart. One effective hack is to start meetings 10 minutes late to ensure a break before each meeting.
• Seil Gupa's book explores ancient techniques from India that can be incorporated into modern life for wisdom and energy.

This is (Henry Shukman’s) The Way. (01:01:33)

• Taking regular breaks, such as 20 minutes of meditation twice a day, can help reduce the feeling of being rushed and compressed for time.
• Meditation can help individuals realize that their world does not fall apart if they take breaks, leading to a cumulative enforced realization that contributes to its benefits.
• Henry Shukman's meditation app is recommended as a legitimate and effective tool for meditation.

Thank you! Good night! (01:02:42)

• The speaker expresses gratitude to everyone for their participation and appreciation.